Posts Tagged ‘trades



21
Feb
08

Snap judgements about the Ben Wallace trade

I hate to take on Larry Hughes’ contract but it’s actually not as bad as Ben Wallace’s was.

The Cavs were asking for Chris Duhon.  The Bulls were saying they didn’t want Hughes.  That looks like the compromise of the trade.  I’m glad they kept Du because even if they let him go in the offseason, he’ll be very valuable this season if the Bulls can sneak into the playoffs.

At least the throw ins Chicago ended up with, Simmons and Brown, are both young and thus hopefully have upside.  I haven’t seen them play enough to know.

Losing Joe Smith hurts, but obviously was a necessary part of this trade.  He’s been the Bulls most consistent player this season and they will miss him.  Drew Gooden is a solid play though and should help.  I would have preferred Duhon was included instead of Gooden and I think it made more sense for the Cavs.  They need a PG and Du is a solid true PG.  He’s not a great scorer, but with LeBron that’s not a problem.  My only guess at why they went for Smith is his higher salary was needed to make the salaries match up.

Finally, and most importantly, getting rid of Ben Wallace was ESSENTIAL.  He may decide to start trying again now that he’s been traded to Cleveland, but he was poison to this Bulls team.  He seems like a good guy and all, but getting paid the money he was on a team full of young players and still only playing hard 1 out of every 6 games was killing this team.  It was causing apathy to spread through the youngsters like wildfire.  Thank goodness somebody was desperate enough to take him off of the Bulls’ hands.

Now if Chicago can just somehow rejuvenate Larry Hughes’ career they’ll be set . . .

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07
Feb
08

Khryapa buyout a clear sign that no trades are coming

The Bulls bought out the expiring contract of Viktor Khryapa yesterday. Khryapa’s expiring $1.9 million dollar deal would have been a valuable chip in any trade negotiations John Paxson intended on having. It could have been used to match up combined contracts between the Bulls and any team they were working with.

Say, and this is purely for argument’s sake, the Bulls were going to trade Ben Gordon to the Clippers for Corey Maggette. Because the Bulls are over the salary cap, any incoming salaries in a trade would have to be within 125% + $100,000 of any outgoing salaries. This condition would not be met in a Gordon for Maggette trade because Maggette makes too much. However, if you included Khryapa in the trade it could work. The Clippers would be no less likely to make the trade if they were forced to include Khryapa because his contract would come off of their books at the end of the year. Therefore, he was a huge assest if the Bulls were hoping to make any trades before the deadline.

We can now be sure that the roster we see today will be the roster at the end of the season. In my jaded opinion, that means the Bulls administration has given up on the season. I’m starting to get scared that they’ve given up on winning as long as they keep selling out the United Center. That would be very bad, but not beyond Jerry Reinsdorf.

07
Feb
08

Sefolosha should continure to start, Gordon should go

Bulls 97 – Blazers 100

Good effort last night by the Bulls.  They were extremely shot-handed, which I’ll get to in a  moment,  but still stuck with a surprisingly solid Blazers team.  The Bulls story of the night in my opinion was Thabo Sefolosha.  Sure it was only one game, but he had 22 pts on 9-17, 6 assts, 3 steals, 2 blocks, 4 boards and only 2 turnovers.  Those are some good, starter-worthy numbers.  Here’s to hoping we see Thabo starting at the 2 guard for the foreseeable future.

One of the main reasons I want to see Thabo starting at the 2 is that I now want Ben Gordon off of this team almost as much as I want Paxson gone.  Of course Gordon isn’t going anywhere until Pax does because we all know John isn’t trading any player he drafted or signed.  I have to admit that my comments these days are the result of my extreme frustration with this season and I probably won’t agree with them all a couple of months from now.  Nevertheless, a lot of Bulls have been missing games with injuries lately and I don’t think most of them would be missing some of these games if the Bulls were in third place in the East.  Chief among these offenders, I believe, is Ben Gordon.

Ben Gordon recently said,

It has been hard watching, especially because we have been having
trouble scoring, but I need the wrist to be 100 percent
so I'm not thinking about it and it doesn't affect my shot.

After making these comments he came back for two games and averaged 26.5 points while shooting 49% from the field including 75% from behind the arc.  It doesn’t look like his shot was affected too much.  However, after pulling out prior to last night’s game he said,

I probably need to stay off it for a little while, especially with it
being my shooting hand. Say we make a playoff run. I
don't want to be worrying about it down the stretch."

When he says, “Say we make a playoff run.  I don’t want to be worrying about it down the stretch”, I take that to mean, “If we were contending I’d play through the pain, but right now I just need to make sure I only play when I’m 100% so my numbers look as good as possible going into contract negotiations this summer.”

That would be an acceptable stance from, say, Vince Carter.  With Carter you know what you’re getting and know what his personality is.  However, these Bulls players were supposed to be different.  They were drafted or signed over more talented players because they are supposed to have more character and desire to win.  I believe Gordon started out this way but has since grown more selfish.  At this point BG7 and his expiring contract should be traded to another team where he can become somebody else’s sixth man prima donna.  The Bulls already have Ben Wallace to fill that role and it doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere.

Answer me this Gordon, how exactly is the team going to make a playoff run if you and your 20 ppg (and only 2.9 assisst/game) are sitting out while the team is already missing Luol Deng?

04
Feb
08

Another call for Paxson’s demise (with a little Reinsdorf bashing thrown in)

Memphis Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley says,

We had conversations with Chicago which were non-satisfactory.
They didn't want to take on the luxury-tax situation and Los
Angeles was. In his league, if you're in a big-market area you
can afford to do those hings. We negotiated as hard as we could
for quality players and Chicago) refused to give up anybody in
their core group. What they offered us were guys who play on the
second and third team, so we turned them down.

Heisley’s completely right.  In Chicago the Bulls could still make plenty of money even if they had to pay the luxury tax for one season (this one).  Based on other sources, what Heisley was referring to was the Bulls re-signing PJ Brown to a prorated portion of a one-year contract in order to make the slaries match up for a Gasol trade.   If the Bulls did that they would go over the luxury tax limit for this season and thus have to pay some penalties as well as miss out on their share of penalties other teams (like the Knicks) will be paying that are divided amongst all under the limit teams.

You know what, too freaking bad.  Look, as a Bulls and Sox fan I’ve come to learn that Reinsdorf is ridiculously cheap for owning teams in a market like Chicago.  If you’re not Michael Jordan (or apparently Ben Wallace) he’s not giving you reasonable money.   Nevertheless, this is a new level of cheapness.  We’re talking about a one year hit in order to be a contender for the next five or so seasons.  After this year Brown’s contract would be gone and I’ve already described and losing Duhon and Ben Gordon’s contracts after this season would free up nearly $8 million.  Hinrich and Ben Wallace each make $1 million less next season than they do this season.  Where’s the problem?!?

Once more, I have to explain what should have happened.  Heisley clearly shows in his above comments he was willing to work with the Bulls.  My thing is, they didn’t even have to go into the luxury zone with a PJ Brown contract to get him.  This failure is completely Paxson and/or Reinsdorf’s fault.

Heisley says they wanted somebody out of the Bulls core group.  How about Ben Gordon? He’s a young player from the Bulls’ core who would be an ideal 6th man for Memphis or who Memphis could let go at the end of the season for cap relief.  Gordon is a restricted free agent at the end of the season which means the Bulls have to extend him to a long-term deal or he can sign their qualifying offer, which would extend his contract one more season at 125% of what he’s making this season.  However, the Grizzlies could also choose not to tender him a qualifying offer which would mean he’d become an unrestricted free agent and come off of their books.  There goes $4.9 million.

The Bulls would also include Chris Duhon.  He’s a borderline core group/second team player.  Memphis probably wouldn’t be interested in him as they already have two young point guards, but his contract also comes off the books at the end of the year.  There goes an additions $3.25 in cap relief.

Now we’re up to $8.15 million in cap relief for the Grizzlies, plus the option to keep an attractive young player in Gordon if they do want to pay him.  Kwame Brown is making $9.05 million this season.  Therefore, the Bulls could have offered Memphis pretty much the same cap relief the Lakers offered with the added benefit of an attractive young player (as opposed to one of the bigger busts of all time) as part of the relief.

Next, the Bulls offer the Grizzlies their choice of Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah.  Tyrus Thomas makes $3.5 million this season and Noah makes $2.14 million.  Both make more than Crittenton’s $1.29 million, but the Grizzlies are log jammed at point guard and in need of somebody to replace Gasol’s minutes in the front court.  Thomas and Noah offer that replacement and are they type of young, high upside players the Grizzlies are looking for.  Crittenton doesn’t offer that replacement and, based on his draft position, has less potential as well.  Finally, if Memphis is looking to dump salary and nothing else, Thomas or Noah would command a better draft pick from another team than Crittenton would in a player-for-pick trade.

One of the main reasons the Grizzlies made this trade is they have high hopes for Marc Gasol.  If that’s the case, I have to believe Thomas or Noah’s higher potential over Crittenton would have to balance this aspect of the trade out.  Even if Heisley and GM Chris Wallace really like Marc Gasol, the added advantages of my offer over the Lakers offer would have to be too much to pass up.

The Lakers also threw in their first round picks in ’08 and ’10.  I believe the ’08 is top three protected and the ’10 is top ‘6.  They may be the other way around, but it doesn’t matter.  I would have thrown in those picks from the Bulls unprotected.  If Chicago has Gasol the picks would be mid-round at best/worst.  Again, my offer would trump the Lakers.  Not only would my picks be unprotected, but in my opinion it’s safe to assume that the Bulls with Gasol would have a worse record in those seasons than the Lakers with Gasol will.  Therefore the Grizzlies would come out with better picks by taking my offer.

All of these factors combined would seem like far, far too much for Heisley and Wallace to pass up, but that doesn’t matter.  The point is the Bulls DID have the pieces to beat the Lakers offer and just refused to make the move.   This fear, this inactivity, this reluctance to let go of any player he drafted should seal Paxson’s fate.  Yes, Reinsdorf is a cheap owner, but I figured out a way for the Bulls to have made this trade without even going into the luxury tax.  Paxson MUST be fired, it’s the only logical next step if this team is ever going to get better.

02
Feb
08

Angry rant about John Paxson/Bulls management

Ever since I found out about the Gasol trade this afternoon I’ve become more and more pissed off. John Paxson pulled the franchise out of futility and made them fun and respectable again. However, not a single move he’s made since the 2004 draft has worked out with the possible exception of re-signing Nocioni this past summer. As much credit as he deserves for turning the worst team in the league into a team that won 138 games over the three previous seasons, his more recent ineptitude has become completely unacceptable.

I’ll give Paxson a pass on signing Ben Wallace because nobody could have guessed how quickly Wallace would give up after receiving his final big payday. Ben was coming off of his 4th Defensive Player of the Year Award in 5 seasons and was known for his effort. If the Bulls needed anything at that point it was a veteran.

Trading Tyson Chandler was acceptable too because it became clear that while Tyson was skilled and athletically gifted, Skiles wasn’t going to accept him or let him be. It’s unlikely Chanlder would have turned into the quality player he is today if he stayed with the Bulls. HOWEVER, wasting what he got in return for Chandler by dumping J.R. Smith and letting P.J. Brown’s contract expire was as unacceptable as missing on Garnett, Gasol and Randolph.

The Eddy Curry trade was a disaster and although I’ve been guaranteed by multiple Bulls reporters that it isn’t true, I’m still convinced Paxson used Curry’s refusal to take a DNA test as a way to get rid of one of the last Jerry Kraus headband-wearing players without having to take blame from the fans. Eddy had a heart condition and Paxson claimed he wasn’t going to give him a guaranteed contract until he had a DNA test. The thing is that multiple doctors cleared Curry to play and everyone knew the players’ association would never have allowed him to set a precadent by being the first player to take a DNA test for his team. Paxson only required it because he knew it would never happen.

At the time of the Curry trade it looked like the Bulls might have done well. Two first round picks from the woeful Knicks sounded, and was, pretty good. The problem was Paxson blew one of them and came up with a weak draft year on the second. I like Tyrus Thomas coming out of LSU that year, but I like Brandon Roy a lot more and LaMarcus Aldridge a bit more. I know it sounds like 20/20 hindsight, but I thought at the time that the talent level seemed similar for all three players and the two Paxson didn’t pick fit the Bulls needs and character type much more than Thomas. They needed a low post scorer and an athletic, big 2 guard. Aldridge was only slightly higher on my list than Thomas because he wasn’t a clear low post player, but then Thomas was a 3. Roy was my first pick because he was the guard we clearly needed and, fitting Paxson’s somewhat irrational obsession, was a key player on a team that went deep in the tournament. But Paxson picked the wrong guy.

Joakim Noah looks like a keeper and there wasn’t a better player available, but he’s still going to be nothing more than an effort player with good defense and rebounding. I’m high on Noah, but he and Thomas don’t replace that hard to find low post game Paxson gave up with Curry.

Then finally a chance arises to pluck a star low post player for next to nothing and where’s Pax? The Bulls had more young talent than the Lakers and the between Duhon’s deal ending this year and Ben Gordon becoming a restricted free agent, they had the cap flexibility to offer as well. The Bulls are young enough that they have no need for an ’08 or and ’10 first round pick. Yet nothing happens? And now there’s nobody else available except maybe Jermain O’Neal who’ll make almost $10 million a year more than Gasol and is perpetually injured.

Enough is enough. It was time for new blood on the coaching side of things and this proves it’s time for new blood at the top.

01
Feb
08

Gasol for Kwame = Unacceptable from Paxson

Unacceptable.  I’m not in love with Pau Gasol, but Paxson let the Lakers pick him up for Kwame Brown and Jarvis Crittenton.   I know that Memphis was looking for cap relief and the Bulls didn’t really have that to offer, but Paxson had to be able to beat that deal.

How about Ben Gordon, Chris Duhon and Joakim Noah plus draft picks.  Tell me the Grizzlies don’t take that over Kwame, Crittenton and picks.  It still offers Memphis cap space, just one year later, if they don’t want to keep Gordon or Duhon.  If they tell Grodon they’re not re-signing him he could even leave this offseason and they’d get the space they’re looking for now.

Gasol wasn’t the ideal option for the Bulls, but he was better than anything else that’s going to be available and, the worst part, is he was easily attainable.  Now what?  Is something better going to come along this summer?  In 2010?  I know it won’t be, but this should have been the straw that broke the camel’s back for John Paxson.  Too many necessary trades never happened because he didn’t want to let go of players he drafted.  Reinsdorf needs to say goodbye to Pax today and get somebody else in here to run the show.  I had faith in Paxson for a long time, but letting this trade go through without even throwing his hat in is simply unacceptable.

When Paxson fired Skiles he knew he’d become the focal point of the team.  Now it’s Paxson’s turn to be held accountable.  Enough is enough.

24
Jan
08

Who should the Bulls trade and who should they save – thoughts inspired by Bulls 108 – Indiana 95


What we saw in last night’s Bulls-Pacers game was a glimpse at what could be an enticing future for the Bulls. I think everyone who follows this team can admit at this point that there are some major problems. Definitively identifying those problems is somewhat harder, but it’s clear that a change is necessary. Although Hinrich’s not going to go off for 38 every night, I think the core that we saw contribute the most last night will have what it takes in the long run. Personally, out of the players currently on the Bulls roster I’d like to see them hold on to:

Joakim Noah (C, PF)

Tyrus Thomas (PF, SF)
Andres Nocioni (SF, PF)
Luol Deng (SF, SG, PF)
Thabo Sefolosha (SF, SG, PG)
Kirk Hinrich (PG, SG)

Deciding to keep these players over some of the others on the roster is accepting taking a step backwards and going back into development (not rebuilding!) mode. However, Ben Wallace is terrible. Joe Smith is great, but won’t be anymore by the time some of these other guys are good enough. Ben Gordon, though I really like him, is going to need a Tyson Chandler-like change of scenes. He might eventually accept a 6th man role somewhere happily, but it won’t be on the Bulls and it won’t be on a team that’s below championship-caliber. He’d have too many memories of saving the day as a starter and turning down $10 million annually. No, a change of scenes is best for all parties involved and, despite his limitations, BG has rare scoring abilities.

The rest of the Bulls are nice but replaceable pieces. Aaron Gray can provide help off the bench, but if you’re either a great talent evaluator or you’re lucky you can find a guy like him in every year’s draft at the end of the first round. Adrian Griffin is a solid veteran but definitely replaceable. It’s almost impossible to know anything about Demetris Nichols since I’ve never seen him play, but you have to also figure he’s replaceable for that very same reason. I like Chris Duhon and would accept him as a backup pg, but it’s just not destined to be with the Bulls. His contract is up this year which serves the double purpose of making him an attractive trading chip and less valuable to the Bulls when looking at their future.

Actually, the two remaining Bulls who I haven’t mentioned yet – JamesOn Curry and Viktor Khryapa – I’d like to see the team hold on to. Neither has much trade value right now. Khryapa has hardly played this season so his value is down. However, I’ve seen what he can do and think he can still be a solid role player. Based on the little I’ve seen of Curry, I think he could be a great replacement for Ben Gordon. He’s a dynamic scorer, though a tweener guard who may not be a great defender. I think he could provide a nice scoring spark of the bench.

So under my plan the Bulls roster would be:

Joakim Noah – proving to be a very solid defensive/center/rebounder-type to replace Ben Wallace

Ben Wallace – nobody is going to take him in a trade
Tyrus Thomas – I honestly believe he’ll develop either into a solid starter or a great 6th man type
Andres Nocioni – I don’t see how the Bulls could afford to give him up as right now he looks like the only one who cares
Luol Deng – clearly has the most potential on a team that desperately needs someone to evolve into a star
Thabo Sefolosha – looks like he’ll become a Doug Christie-like player but with the ability to direct the team from the point at times
Kirk Hinrich – showed last night that he can put up points when he needs to and is still the best pg and perimeter defender on the team. He’s signed long-term to a relatively friendly contract as well.
JamesOn Curry – a cross between Ben Gordon and Jannero Pargo, bringing instant offense off the bench but not much else
Viktor Khryapa – does a little bit of everything and kind of resembles James Posey

That means the Bulls would be looking to trade Ben Gordon, Joe Smith, Chris Duhon, Aaron Gray, Adrian Griffin, and Demetris Nichols. Obviously they couldn’t trade all of these players in one season, especially when the deadline is only a month away and some of these guys have next to no value to other teams. However, some assembly of the above athletes could score the Bulls a useful if not star player. Good enough to get Pau Gasol? Probably not. Tracy McGrady . . . just kidding. I love watching T-Mac but he’s way too injury prone and paid way too much to be worth the risk.

Thoughts?




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